http://roman.stanek.org/2009/02/05/looking-for-soa-in-all-the-wrong-places/ BI, SaaS, travel and everything else... Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:04:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ http://roman.stanek.org/2009/02/05/looking-for-soa-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-211 Dave Ruzius Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:39:26 +0000 http://roman.stanek.org/?p=319#comment-211 What I believe Anne is (also) trying to say is that the underlying principles of service orientation are still very valid and will form the basis for new (?) architectectural paradigms as cloud computing and SaaS. A smart customer will no be longer be fooled by a vendor or consultant trying to sell him "SOA in a box". I have been recently challenged by such a smart (potential) customer to explain exactely how the application of service oriented principles will bring his business value and more important how it will solve some of his concrete and current problems. If we as consultants or vendors are not able to exactely this, then we have caused the death or "SOA" ourselves... For now I'll stick to 'improving business and IT using service orientation' and I can even explain how.. What I believe Anne is (also) trying to say is that the underlying principles of service orientation are still very valid and will form the basis for new (?) architectectural paradigms as cloud computing and SaaS.
A smart customer will no be longer be fooled by a vendor or consultant trying to sell him “SOA in a box”. I have been recently challenged by such a smart (potential) customer to explain exactely how the application of service oriented principles will bring his business value and more important how it will solve some of his concrete and current problems. If we as consultants or vendors are not able to exactely this, then we have caused the death or “SOA” ourselves…
For now I’ll stick to ‘improving business and IT using service orientation’ and I can even explain how..

]]> http://roman.stanek.org/2009/02/05/looking-for-soa-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-209 TS Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:17:28 +0000 http://roman.stanek.org/?p=319#comment-209 The problem is, that SOA as it is proclaimed by multinationals is always the big rebuild... but the point should be elswhere. SOA should be seen as a pattern, no as a "thing", in this point I agree with you. But this pattern should be as well used to connect those somehow "working" systems. And that is the way I see SOA as the point of interrest. But as many have stated, SOA is not only what you do, is how you think and how you do it. I believe SOA not to be dead, but to be waiting to its "spiral" reincarnation. The same as I see Saas as reincarnation of ASP. The problem is, that SOA as it is proclaimed by multinationals is always the big rebuild… but the point should be elswhere.
SOA should be seen as a pattern, no as a “thing”, in this point I agree with you. But this pattern should be as well used to connect those somehow “working” systems. And that is the way I see SOA as the point of interrest. But as many have stated, SOA is not only what you do, is how you think and how you do it. I believe SOA not to be dead, but to be waiting to its “spiral” reincarnation. The same as I see Saas as reincarnation of ASP.

]]> http://roman.stanek.org/2009/02/05/looking-for-soa-in-all-the-wrong-places/#comment-208 Ludek Slegr Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:04:32 +0000 http://roman.stanek.org/?p=319#comment-208 I pretty much share this opinion having personal experience with IT organization of a major international company. Cleaning up architecture or moving to a new platform is extremely difficult for the reasons stated earlier, most importantly as it is expensive and painful. The services from the companies in the cloud are a solution for commoditized services and ones without perceived security risk. In this regard, financial crisis and shrinking IT budgets might be effective driver improving things. I pretty much share this opinion having personal experience with IT organization of a major international company. Cleaning up architecture or moving to a new platform is extremely difficult for the reasons stated earlier, most importantly as it is expensive and painful. The services from the companies in the cloud are a solution for commoditized services and ones without perceived security risk. In this regard, financial crisis and shrinking IT budgets might be effective driver improving things.

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